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<BR>John,<BR>
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I had an idea that you had the "coveted" Intes Maksutov-Cassegrain. That is an extraordinary scope and I have always wanted one.<BR>
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I think that we can all agree that a 10-inch is just about the largest scope when EQ that can still remain "relatively" portable.<BR>
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Most people would perceive this to be a planetary scope but for me it would be the perfect scope for faint galaxies. With the 3175 focal length I would use my 32mm University Optics Konig 2-inch for 99x which would allow me to find the faint galaxy. In my notes my criteria for a faint galaxy is one that I cannot see at less than 100x. <BR>
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I would then use my 24mm Konig for 132x which is perfect for a detailed study of most well conentrated faint galaxies with resonably high surface brightness. If the galaxy and conditions would allow I would use my 16mm UO Konig for 198x and look for all the faint details for my sketch. If you are experienced at looking for supernova's in the halos of faint galaxies you know that in order to attempt to see them and estimate the magnitude it is neccesary to use high power. I have observed many SN's with magnitudes as faint as 13.5 and one at 13.9 which is very close to being at the limit for a 10-inch scope. With my 10 f/4.5 a barlow is required to get higher magnification with three extra lenses that "soak" up some of the already feeble light. Fred talks about this often, and I concur with him...I do not want eyepieces with 8 lens as some of the faint detail will be lost.<BR>
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John, the Losmandy EQ is also my dream mount...built right here in the USA at Hollywood Machine works. Before my Son and his family moved to LV they owned a house in the Hollywood Hills and Losmandy was not really that far away. <BR>
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In this area the G-11 is the most desired mount especially for all the guys that have larger scopes and are into "very serious" imaging. <BR>
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A dream mount indeed...I still look for them on Astromart and other places for sale and imagine owning one. I am going to have a G-11 Losmandy mount one day. You are fortunate indeed to have the quality equipment that you own. <BR>
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A good friend of mine has a C-14 with a 3556 FL and he has told me he is going to do some work on the "Virgo Cluster" with the 14-inch and submit a report. He is going to look at one a time.<BR>
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I will scan and forward to all the identification chart for the virgo cluster. <BR>
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John thank you very kindly for your e-mail and your interest in the VC...we are certainly talking the same language. <BR>
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One of my best friends who lives a few miles from me has a Celestron 9 1/4 mounted on a G-11. Occasionally I just go and visit him to look at his mount. <BR>
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There are three or four G-11 mounts within 20 mins of me in this very rural and sparsely populated community.<BR>
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Low power is well suited for very extended objects should as nebula and star clusters but not for very faint galaxies...other than M-33 and quite a few other larger galaxies with low surface brightness.<BR>
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John, best regards to you and good luck on your exploration of the virgo cluster...<BR>
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Roger <BR>
<BR> <BR><FONT face=Verdana><EM><STRONG> </STRONG></EM></FONT><BR> <BR>> From: jboron@cox.net<BR>> To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:21:11 -0700<BR>> Subject: Re: [Lvas] Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14<BR>> <BR>> Roger, I have a 10" Intes Mak-Cass. It is mounted on a Losmandy G-11, using <BR>> Digital Setting Circles. It is a very robust set-up but tears down and sets <BR>> up quickly.<BR>> <BR>> The night I was viewing the Virgo galaxy cluster I was using a wide angle 40 <BR>> mm University Optics 2" eyepiece. I saw M-84 and M-86 clearly but I could <BR>> barely make out the other galaxies. I switched to a Collins I3 image <BR>> intensifier eyepiece that incorporates a 24 mm Teleview eyepiece. That <BR>> helped out a lot.<BR>> <BR>> John Boron<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <lvas-request@lvlug.org><BR>> To: <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:58 PM<BR>> Subject: Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Send Lvas mailing list submissions to<BR>> > lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> ><BR>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> > http://lvlug.org/mailman/listinfo/lvas<BR>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> > lvas-request@lvlug.org<BR>> ><BR>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> > lvas-owner@lvlug.org<BR>> ><BR>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> > than "Re: Contents of Lvas digest..."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Today's Topics:<BR>> ><BR>> > 1. Re: 12 years ago (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> > 2. Observing: Redstone, Saturday March 14 (David Blanchette)<BR>> > 3. Questions and other? (roger ivester)<BR>> > 4. An Amateurs Life (roger ivester)<BR>> > 5. Re: Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 13-Virgo (John Boron)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 1<BR>> > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:03:58 -0500<BR>> > From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> > To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> > Message-ID: <BAY119-W4697F6BF1F2E90F51C33D0D49D0@phx.gbl><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Roger,<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Hale used a 16" if I remember right. I seem to remember something about a <BR>> > DS-16, but not sure about it.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I was always wondering what you did for a living! Must be nice.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Fred<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: drivester@hotmail.com<BR>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:29:10 +0000<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Fred,<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks for sharing the great photo. I remember reading about an article of <BR>> > how he just "stumbled" upon the comet with a 16-inch scope. Is this true?<BR>> ><BR>> > If you recall Robert Burnham Jr. of the Celestial Handbooks actually found <BR>> > his first comet the night he received a new 6 or 8-inch reflector OTA <BR>> > only. He did not have a mount and was using the railing of his porch to <BR>> > prop the scope up to observe...and there it was. This was pretty amazing. <BR>> > Especially considering that some people spent their entire life in a <BR>> > systematic scientific approach and never find a comet.<BR>> ><BR>> > What kind of telescope was he using...maybe a Meade Starfinder? Was it a <BR>> > Dobsonian or an equatorial?<BR>> ><BR>> > Regarding observer's such as Hale being unemployed: I was an Industrial <BR>> > Engineer for various industries and companies for over 32 years and found <BR>> > myself unemployed on several occasions as they would either close or go <BR>> > bankrupt.<BR>> ><BR>> > As a matter of fact I have taken the last four and a half years off...due <BR>> > to my last company downsizing management. I do a variety of self <BR>> > employment things on my own, and am doing quite well. I do not miss all <BR>> > the stress and hassle of a 8 to 10 hour "working for the man" kinda thing. <BR>> > I was always under "incredible stress". Too many tight projects and <BR>> > expectations from the company owners and top management. I could never go <BR>> > back to that, and I have never been a good follower.<BR>> ><BR>> > I set my own schedule which allows me to live my life to the fullest. I <BR>> > consider myself fortunate indeed...not unemployed. I purchase my own <BR>> > health insurance through a HSA through Blue Cross Blue shield for only <BR>> > $200 per month. It is a $5,000 deductable with no drug card or doctors <BR>> > visit. My wife and I have always lived within our means.<BR>> > My good friend and my MD (internist) always ride on his Wednesday <BR>> > afternoons off and I can work out with weights in my exercise room anytime <BR>> > I choose. I am also a certified road bike technician. I maintain bunches <BR>> > of high end road bikes as one of my many diverse occupations...of my home <BR>> > business.<BR>> ><BR>> > Stay healthy, be frugal, and you can live on less than you ever thought.<BR>> ><BR>> > Roger<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the <BR>> > earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into <BR>> > the heavens and say there is no God. Abraham Lincoln<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: rayworth1969@hotmail.com<BR>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:37:08 -0500<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Roger,<BR>> ><BR>> > Wish I could draw like you! Outstanding drawings.<BR>> ><BR>> > I met Hale in Oklahoma in 96 or 97. At the time he was unemployed. Even <BR>> > famous observers have their hard times!<BR>> ><BR>> > Attached is a photo of him posing with me and my oldest granddaughter.<BR>> ><BR>> > Fred<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: drivester@hotmail.com<BR>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:20:10 +0000<BR>> > Subject: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > It's hard to believe that it has been 12 years since Hale-Bopp streaked <BR>> > across the overhead and northern sky.<BR>> ><BR>> > I have attached a sketch from the night of March 16th 1997. I was using my <BR>> > 10-inch reflector with a 20mm UO Erfle and a 2.8x UO Klee barlow. <BR>> > Magnification was 160X with a FOV of 0.38? or 23 minutes of arc.<BR>> ><BR>> > The sketch was made at 4:00 AM local EST. The temperature was 29?.<BR>> ><BR>> > I was using high magnification to study the nucleus and coma.<BR>> ><BR>> > Using a small RF telescope at low power I measured a tail of over 5?<BR>> ><BR>> > I noted the coordinates at: Right ascention: 23h 15m Declination: <BR>> > +44? 30 minutes<BR>> ><BR>> > Now that was a comet...<BR>> ><BR>> > I also attached NGC 3226-3227 interacting galaxies.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best regards, Roger Ivester<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the <BR>> > earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into <BR>> > the heavens and say there is no God. Abraham Lincoln<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Windows Live? 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An f/4.5 telescope <BR>> > will really tax any wide field eyepiece.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > At a dark site all nine galaxies of the Virgo cluster should be easily <BR>> > framed and seen with your 16-inch Lightbridge. Most should be fairly <BR>> > bright...<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I would like to observe this cluster with your 16-inch...sketching again <BR>> > and compare the difference versus my 10-inch.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > When I used to look at those big robust Cave reflectors during the 60's <BR>> > and early 70's I thought that a 10-inch scope was the "biggest" scope an <BR>> > amateur could ever have.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > John, what kind of 10-inch Maksutov do you have, brand, etc? <BR>> > Maksutov-Cassegrain? I presume it is equatorially mounted? What was the <BR>> > Tele-vue eyepiece that you was using?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Roger<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the <BR>> > earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into <BR>> > the heavens and say there is no God. Abraham Lincoln<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to <BR>> > meet. Check it out.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. <BR>> > See how.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. <BR>> > See how.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to <BR>> > meet. Check it out.<BR>> ><BR>> > _________________________________________________________________<BR>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?.<BR>> > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme<BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL: <BR>> > http://lvlug.org/pipermail/lvas/attachments/20090314/87ba3a7a/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 4<BR>> > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:39:41 +0000<BR>> > From: roger ivester <drivester@hotmail.com><BR>> > Subject: [Lvas] An Amateurs Life<BR>> > To: <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> > Message-ID: <COL102-W35F7E8DDC4246F71D09900B39D0@phx.gbl><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Fred,<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I forgot to mention something. I had to work an average of 60+ hours per <BR>> > week which was mostly six days per week....sometimes seven. The pay was <BR>> > good but I lost or sold<BR>> ><BR>> > 32 years of my life.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Analogy:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > It was like riding the Tour de France every day for 32 years and each day <BR>> > consisted of climbing the famed "Alp d'huez". I think this helped me <BR>> > become a better amateur bicycle rider as it helped me to endure suffering <BR>> > and only pedal harder. A pretty sad story...right?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I was responsible for two manufacturing plants plus the engineering staffs <BR>> > as a sideline. I can't ever remember a time when any of the staff or plant <BR>> > mangement was happy. These were very large plants employing as many as 300 <BR>> > or more people each.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Oh, but to be relieved of that burden after all those years. Now you see <BR>> > why I feel the way I do...relief.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Roger<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: rayworth1969@hotmail.com<BR>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:03:58 -0500<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Roger,<BR>> ><BR>> > Hale used a 16" if I remember right. I seem to remember something about a <BR>> > DS-16, but not sure about it.<BR>> ><BR>> > I was always wondering what you did for a living! Must be nice.<BR>> ><BR>> > Fred<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to <BR>> > meet. Check it out.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. <BR>> > See how.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. <BR>> > See how.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Windows Live? 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Contacts: Organize your contact list.<BR>> > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009<BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL: <BR>> > http://lvlug.org/pipermail/lvas/attachments/20090314/366beb6a/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 5<BR>> > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:22:06 -0700<BR>> > From: "John Boron" <jboron@cox.net><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 13-Virgo<BR>> > To: <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> > Message-ID: <A616F128E84C43919192CEDD0F7BDA5B@johnok9nap4gq9><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";<BR>> > reply-type=original<BR>> ><BR>> > Roger, if you can send the scanned copy of your sketch I would appreciate <BR>> > it<BR>> > very much.<BR>> ><BR>> > I am planning to go to a very dark site in Arizona the weekend of 19-22<BR>> > March, about 15 miles SE of Winslow AZ. The site is called the Rock Art<BR>> > Ranch. Virgo should be high in the middle of the night. I will try my hand<BR>> > at sketching and give a report the following week.<BR>> ><BR>> > John Boron<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: <lvas-request@lvlug.org><BR>> > To: <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:36 PM<BR>> > Subject: Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 13<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Send Lvas mailing list submissions to<BR>> >> lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >><BR>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> >> http://lvlug.org/mailman/listinfo/lvas<BR>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> >> lvas-request@lvlug.org<BR>> >><BR>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> >> lvas-owner@lvlug.org<BR>> >><BR>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> >> than "Re: Contents of Lvas digest..."<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Today's Topics:<BR>> >><BR>> >> 1. Re: Virgo Cluster Observing Tecnique (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> >> 2. Re: Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10 (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> Message: 1<BR>> >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:58:59 -0500<BR>> >> From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> >> Subject: Re: [Lvas] Virgo Cluster Observing Tecnique<BR>> >> To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >> Message-ID: <BAY119-W40CFA4B20C9281AECA4C79D49C0@phx.gbl><BR>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Roger, and All,<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> I have quite a bit of catching up to do! I'm crossing my fingers that <BR>> >> next<BR>> >> Saturday will be "the" night, but around here you never know what the sky<BR>> >> is going to do!<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Fred<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> From: drivester@hotmail.com<BR>> >> To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:17:05 +0000<BR>> >> Subject: [Lvas] Virgo Cluster Observing Tecnique<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> This is a follow-up from yesterday's discussion regarding the "Virgo<BR>> >> Cluster" which is pretty much centered around M-84 and M-86.<BR>> >><BR>> >> My friend and book author, Tom Lorenzin...author of 1000+ The Amateur<BR>> >> Astronomer's Field Guide to Deep-Sky Observing pointed out the nine<BR>> >> galaxies one evening. I could hardly wait to to observe this group. Tom<BR>> >> called this 1? degree field of galaxies "The Nonet".<BR>> >><BR>> >> The galaxies comprised in this group are E to W; NGC-4435, 4438, 4425,<BR>> >> 4407, 4406 (M-86) 4413, 4387, 4388, 4374 (M-84).<BR>> >><BR>> >> I will send a scanned copy of my sketch with each galaxy identified to <BR>> >> all<BR>> >> if there is anyone who would like to have it for identification purposes.<BR>> >><BR>> >> I will also submit a detailed description of each in the final observing<BR>> >> report...hopefully along with observing notes from many others.<BR>> >><BR>> >> I found it necessary to use an unusual technique to observe this group. I<BR>> >> don't normally use my RA motor for tracking but in this case it was<BR>> >> necessary. I hand guide almost all the time. With polar alignment I do <BR>> >> not<BR>> >> find it objectionable to slightly nudge the scope in RA to keep the <BR>> >> object<BR>> >> in view.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Some of the galaxies are too faint to be seen at the low power of 57x. I<BR>> >> had to use a 20mm UO Erfle to get a 1.1? degree field as I had mentioned<BR>> >> in the previous e-mail.<BR>> >><BR>> >> I found it necessary to look at a photograph of this group and use a<BR>> >> minimum of 114x ...maybe up to 150x to see and study the fainter <BR>> >> galaxies.<BR>> >> I would then draw them in their appropriate location and also to the<BR>> >> proper scale as compared to the brighter ones.<BR>> >><BR>> >> With a 10-inch telescope it is necessary to use over 100x to "just see"<BR>> >> galaxies that are fainter than 12th magnitude...most of the time. Of<BR>> >> course it depends on the concentration and surface brightness of the<BR>> >> galaxy, and of course sky conditions.<BR>> >><BR>> >> John, your with your 10-inch f/12.5 Maksutov with a focal length of 3175<BR>> >> mm's it is going to be hard for you to get a 1? degree field. You may <BR>> >> want<BR>> >> to use your eyepiece with the greatest field and then use a photograph as<BR>> >> I do and try moving the scope to the location of each galaxy. Memorizing<BR>> >> from the photo where they should be in relationship to M-84 and M-86. I<BR>> >> would love to hear your results.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Fred, your 16-inch should show this entire group nicely using your 38mm<BR>> >> Q70 2-inch. With your focal ratio of 1828 mm's you should be able to <BR>> >> place<BR>> >> all galaxies in your 48x magnification. The greater light gathering<BR>> >> ability of your 16-inch versus my 10-inch should be significate and you<BR>> >> should be able to see all the fainter galaxies at the lower power. Like<BR>> >> John I can hardly wait for your report.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 48x/70? AF = 69 arc mins or a 1.15? degree FOV.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Roger<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the<BR>> >> earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into<BR>> >> the heavens and say there is no God. Abraham Lincoln<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to<BR>> >> meet. Check it out.<BR>> >> _________________________________________________________________<BR>> >> Windows Live?: Life without walls.<BR>> >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009<BR>> >> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> >> URL:<BR>> >> http://lvlug.org/pipermail/lvas/attachments/20090313/84f3c71c/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> >><BR>> >> ------------------------------<BR>> >><BR>> >> Message: 2<BR>> >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:00:23 -0500<BR>> >> From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> >> Subject: Re: [Lvas] Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10<BR>> >> To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >> Message-ID: <BAY119-W45E3C71A9B1ABD86F0C8AFD49D0@phx.gbl><BR>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> John,<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Thanks! I'm wondering if I'll pick all out the next time I go out.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Fred<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >>> From: jboron@cox.net<BR>> >>> To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:38:56 -0700<BR>> >>> Subject: Re: [Lvas] Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Roger and Fred, I enjoyed the exchange and the sketches. I was in Death<BR>> >>> Valley the last week of February on a particularly dark night. I was<BR>> >>> amazed<BR>> >>> at all the galaxies in the area of M 84 - 85. I was using a 10 " <BR>> >>> Maksutov<BR>> >>> f<BR>> >>> 12.5 with a 24mm televue. The fov is very small but the least little<BR>> >>> movement of the 'scope brought another galaxy in to view. I must have<BR>> >>> spent<BR>> >>> 30 minutes in that one area.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> John<BR>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>> From: <lvas-request@lvlug.org><BR>> >>> To: <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:13 PM<BR>> >>> Subject: Lvas Digest, Vol 21, Issue 10<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> > Send Lvas mailing list submissions to<BR>> >>> > lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> >>> > http://lvlug.org/mailman/listinfo/lvas<BR>> >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> >>> > lvas-request@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> >>> > lvas-owner@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> >>> > than "Re: Contents of Lvas digest..."<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Today's Topics:<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > 1. Re: Our last Deep-Sky object (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> >>> > 2. Re: Observing: Redstone, Saturday March 14 (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> >>> > 3. Re: 12 years ago (Fred Rayworth)<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Message: 1<BR>> >>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:31:23 -0500<BR>> >>> > From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] Our last Deep-Sky object<BR>> >>> > To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >>> > Message-ID: <BAY119-W365C392B0AF142C4F74E71D49C0@phx.gbl><BR>> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Roger,<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Very cool drawings! I'll have to go back through my notes to see what <BR>> >>> > I<BR>> >>> > found there.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Anyone else out there have some feedback?<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Fred<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > From: drivester@hotmail.com<BR>> >>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:44:11 +0000<BR>> >>> > Subject: [Lvas] Our last Deep-Sky object<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > LVAS<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > This will be our last deep-sky observing object for review...following<BR>> >>> > this months NGC-2403 in Camelopardalis.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > This would have to be one of my most favorite galaxy cluster's. M-84<BR>> >>> > and<BR>> >>> > M-86 are the two brighter objects. I really enjoy observing galaxy<BR>> >>> > cluster's and interacting galaxies as in this case you can observe <BR>> >>> > nine<BR>> >>> > galaxies in a 1? FOV.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > The sketch was made with my 10-inch f/4.5 reflector at 57x. I was <BR>> >>> > using<BR>> >>> > a<BR>> >>> > 20 mm UO Erfle with a 1.1? FOV. The sketch was made from my back deck<BR>> >>> > with<BR>> >>> > a light block curtain. This was an extraordinary evening as both <BR>> >>> > seeing<BR>> >>> > and transparency were excellent. The date and time was 3-16-99 @ 11:00<BR>> >>> > PM<BR>> >>> > Local EST.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > The sketch was made with a No. 2 pencil on white paper and I have<BR>> >>> > inverted<BR>> >>> > the colors on my scanner.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > How many galaxies will you be able to see?<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > We will conclude our observing projects ending with this galaxy <BR>> >>> > cluster<BR>> >>> > with all information due by April 25th. The final report will be <BR>> >>> > issued<BR>> >>> > the first week of May.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I hope each of you have enjoyed our deep-sky observing project so far<BR>> >>> > and<BR>> >>> > that everyone has gained something. It is my sincere hope that you <BR>> >>> > will<BR>> >>> > be<BR>> >>> > able to use some of the material and notes to benefit your own <BR>> >>> > personal<BR>> >>> > observing program.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Roger<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the<BR>> >>> > earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up<BR>> >>> > into<BR>> >>> > the heavens and say there is no God. Abraham Lincoln<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for<BR>> >>> > Hotmail?.<BR>> >>> > See how.<BR>> >>> > _________________________________________________________________<BR>> >>> > Windows Live?: Life without walls.<BR>> >>> > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009<BR>> >>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> >>> > URL:<BR>> >>> > http://lvlug.org/pipermail/lvas/attachments/20090312/26590af0/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > ------------------------------<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Message: 2<BR>> >>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:32:16 -0500<BR>> >>> > From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] Observing: Redstone, Saturday March 14<BR>> >>> > To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >>> > Message-ID: <BAY119-W10B2251A9F3B5BDB106537D49C0@phx.gbl><BR>> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Not really interested with an almost full moon, but I wish you all the<BR>> >>> > best.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Fred<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:43:43 -0700<BR>> >>> > From: scopegeek@gmail.com<BR>> >>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] Observing: Redstone, Saturday March 14<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Depends on how my wife is feeling Saturday - she's having some surgery<BR>> >>> > tomorrow, so it just depends. I would love to go out with you, since I<BR>> >>> > haven't been out for a couple of weeks.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Rob<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, David Blanchette <Yahoo@awit.com><BR>> >>> > wrote:<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Anyone up for a night out?<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > The weather has been tricky this week, but there seems to be a good<BR>> >>> > chance for good weather on Saturday. Friday looks clear, but the<BR>> >>> > seeing looks bad, so I'm opting for Saturday.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > -- David<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> >>> > Sent via the Lvas mailing list Lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> > Set options or unsubscribe at http://lvlug.org/mailman/listinfo/lvas<BR>> >>> > The LVAS discussion list is hosted courtesy of LasVegas.Net<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > -- <BR>> >>> > Rob Lambert<BR>> >>> > 702-461-1390<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > _________________________________________________________________<BR>> >>> > Windows Live?: Life without walls.<BR>> >>> > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009<BR>> >>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> >>> > URL:<BR>> >>> > http://lvlug.org/pipermail/lvas/attachments/20090312/8a5c953e/attachment-0001.htm<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > ------------------------------<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Message: 3<BR>> >>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:37:08 -0500<BR>> >>> > From: Fred Rayworth <rayworth1969@hotmail.com><BR>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> >>> > To: Las Vegas Astronomical Society <lvas@lvlug.org><BR>> >>> > Message-ID: <BAY119-W1B3C86926CB7C50A2A60FD49C0@phx.gbl><BR>> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Roger,<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Wish I could draw like you! Outstanding drawings.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I met Hale in Oklahoma in 96 or 97. At the time he was unemployed. <BR>> >>> > Even<BR>> >>> > famous observers have their hard times!<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Attached is a photo of him posing with me and my oldest granddaughter.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Fred<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > From: drivester@hotmail.com<BR>> >>> > To: lvas@lvlug.org<BR>> >>> > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:20:10 +0000<BR>> >>> > Subject: [Lvas] 12 years ago<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > It's hard to believe that it has been 12 years since Hale-Bopp <BR>> >>> > streaked<BR>> >>> > across the overhead and northern sky.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I have attached a sketch from the night of March 16th 1997. I was <BR>> >>> > using<BR>> >>> > my<BR>> >>> > 10-inch reflector with a 20mm UO Erfle and a 2.8x UO Klee barlow.<BR>> >>> > Magnification was 160X with a FOV of 0.38? or 23 minutes of arc.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > The sketch was made at 4:00 AM local EST. The temperature was 29?.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I was using high magnification to study the nucleus and coma.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Using a small RF telescope at low power I measured a tail of over 5?<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I noted the coordinates at: Right ascention: 23h 15m Declination:<BR>> >>> > +44? 30 minutes<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Now that was a comet...<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I also attached NGC 3226-3227 interacting galaxies.<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Best regards, Roger Ivester<BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> ><BR>> >>> > I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the<BR>> >>> > earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up<BR>> >>> > into<BR>> >>> > the heavens and say there is no God. 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